Thread:Fossiliferous/@comment-27849239-20160512170744/@comment-24668482-20160514104036

Hi DwellerCamp, sorry for the delay but I have been busy at work the past few days. I've had a look at the pages and they do look great, and I can tell you put a lot of work into them.

The one thing I have noticed is that the formatting seems a little off, e.g. picture sizes being inconsistent, alignment of text changing, some rows in tables being set as headings instead of regular rows etc.

Most noticeably, many pages have a ton of extra formatting information added (which actually helped me figure it all out). For example, here is the source code of the poker combinations page you had created:



Versus how one would expect the source to look:



All the extra commands does not really have any important impact on the page (though it would slow its loading times since every single sentence is given a different formatting command).

I am guessing that this is a result of how you copy and paste an existing page to create a starting point for creating a new page. By copying directly from your brower, the editor here tries to include the formatting from the browser display itself, and so adds all the extra formatting.

There is a simple way around this, all you have to do is press edit on the page you want to copy and then copy the text from within the editor itself. You do not have to publish that edit since not changing anything, so just copy the text you want and then cancel the edit before going to the other page to paste the text.

This will also help with the other formating inconsistencies (picture dimensions and text alignment) as the formating from original page will be copied.

I actually find that by far the easiest way of doing it is using the source itself so I am guaranteed all the formatting I set on one page will automatically be copied over to the new page and then all I have to do is change the item and pictures names. To do this: press edit on a page, which will open the visual editor, then select source mode and copy the text there instead. Open the new page and press edit, which will also open a visual editor and again switch to source mode on that page and paste the text. You could then switch back to the visual editor of that page to make the changes you want if you find it easier to edit using the visual editor

But I do find changing the pictures is acually easier in source mode as just have to change the name e.g. if I see on a page I copied from but want to change it to the first image in the next collection I can just change the 'File:C050_Tarot_Cards_i01_Fate_Wheel.png' to 'File:C051_Doll_Collection_i01_Scarlett.png' and the new image will be displayed in visual editor (and when changes published) and i dont have to worry about matching the formatting as not changed. But of course, that is just me, and I know others find changing the images using the visual editor much easier, and it is important you do what suits you best, particularly when doing so much work.

Anyway, I have fixed the formatting on all the pages now so not an issue. But I think that copying the text from an open editor rather than directly from a browser will save you a lot of time when making the pages as will really help with all the formatting and copying of tables (which are definitely awkward). So I think it will make things a lot easier and faster for you. (Whether you use source mode when doing so or just stick to the visual editors)

It will also mean you won't have to make so many edits just to create a new page, and it will also save time by removing the need to publish the page with old pictures (from collection on the page being copied) and then having to go back and re-edit to add new pictures (for new collection). I noticed it can sometimes take you up to 10 edits to start the page, which has to be annoying and rather time consuming for you. Copying from an open editor should definitely help with that. It is possible to create the pages, tables, pictures, categories and all with a single edit  - I've made the Music Boxes page for you just to show that. Of course there are always errant typos that creep in when copying and pasting so much information, that mean sometimes extra little fix edits are necessary, but you can definitely do the lions share of the work in one go, and I think that will save you a lot of time and energy.

A couple of other small things: I am not sure what the 'Current' heading you added is for. The text below it is just information about combining elements, so can be included within the combining elements section above it. If you feel it needs to be a separate section, then maybe a more descriptive heading would help (Current what?) to define what that section is about. I also get that the individal collection item table with information about where to get the items is a pain to fill out (you can get the quest names from the game and the regular and quest locations from the List of Collection Item Locations page here if want to include) but if you dont want to include that table (I'll add later when I have time) there is no need to repeat the information about combining elements and wishlists instead in the Collection item section since it is already in the combining section below and the collection item section already has its own information about wishlists (as this will change when you get into collections that have items that cannot be added to wishlists they are done separately on the page to make creating those collection pages easier when you get to them).

Some resources for you:
 * Help:Visual_Editor (depending on your browser this might be your default visual editor)
 * Help:Classic_editor (depending on your browser this might be your default visual editor)
 * Help:Wikitext (using source mode, both editors)
 * Category:Collections (Cropped) (all images of collections together)
 * Category:Combining Elements (cropped) (all images of combining element requirements together)
 * Category:Collection Item Images (all collection item images that have been created and uploaded for these projects to date, currently only goes to collection 196 as work in progress but it is on my list of things to do when I am on leave the last 2 weeks of May so hopefully will be finished soon).
 * Music Boxes (example of single edit page creation)