Thread:Sannse/@comment-27643406-20170718213611/@comment-28482541-20170724051320

Just because I speak doesn't mean I don't want peace, it is quite the opposite. This is not bickering. Some of us are actually trying to have a constructive conversation by actually addressing the issue that many, not just me have noticed and/or pointed out many times over the last few weeks. Nothing is going to get better until we do. I thought we were making a little progress. I like GEL's rephrasing of okie dokie.

And yes, perception does play into, which is exactly why we each have to think about what and how we say things. If something is said with good intent, then it should be no big deal for someone to point out they took it differently. I have had this happen many times. I usually think about and go, you know, you're right, I didn't realize it could be taken that way, so sorry, I should have phrased it differently. I acknowledged how they perceived it, I valued their point of view, and I avoid further conflict by not defending. Everybody moves on no harm. My experience has been different here. If our concerns on this had simply been acknowledged we might not be here now.

As far as MFB, that is done. What is not, is that many feel that we now need to have a conversation regarding how the community feels about the ban policy, particularly having assigned lengths for first time etc. Simply too many want this topic discussed to dismiss it. I realize that not everything needs to be discussed and/or voted on. As this is an issue that a large portion have asked particularly about with such strong convictions, it should be considered.

I am very glad to see some progress on the editing issues. I see some getting involved again. This is progress. I am looking forward to the upcoming thread about it.

I stayed silent through weeks of many others bringing up these issues. All were ignored. Many were told in one way or another to shut up. I am even seeing that on this thread. We have lost too many good people. We have to try to ease the passive/aggressive. Saying to someone that you took the printed word in another way than they intended should not warrant this, but instead lead to a conversation of another point of view. I am just trying to bring it all to a constructive conversation. I feel as if I am getting kicked in the teeth for doing so.

Try to understand where I and many others are coming from. We care. Deeply or we would not speak out. This can stop if we feel heard and valued, not defensively scolded and threatened.

I really liked what you had to say Suhonenm.