Thread:Katlovr/@comment-29259087-20170711162415/@comment-30663775-20170712005323

You are right Kat, but if it is unseen then really you can't count it. It would be considered here sey to the rest of the wiki wouldn't it? Personally, I trust that you would not lie to me, but you could say that you had 30 complaints against Mainframe. I'd still have to take your word for it because you need to be discreet. I whole heartedly agree with your discretion, but  Please, think about taking that part out of the scenareo. Then we have the TOU violations. So now a person gets punished twice for the same violation? You already warned her, but now you are using it to ban her.

Finally, I will quote Sannse:

Quote  "I am going to be frank here - what I am seeing from both sides of this argument is simply bickering with frequent exaggeration of the seriousness of the other side's posts. I keep being shown "evidence" of one person or another's bad behaviour with claims of "harassment" and "bullying", when my reading of the same posts is "bickering", "passive aggression", and "bad faith" - things that don't rise to a ToU level. 

I believe those claims of harassment etc are genuine, in that the writer feels harassed and bullied, but I would say that in most if not all cases that is a perception not a fact." end quote.

Please Kat, re-read that and think of what is said there. Consider ending this dispute between you and mainframe in the chatroom. It may take hours, it may be painful, but for the sake of our wiki, cross that bridge, loosen the editing reigns and allow more community input and lets move on. I know you want what is best for the wiki as I think Gel does too. Can we move toward getting there? because this is making me ill.