Thread:Sannse/@comment-33762881-20170706223419/@comment-29954643-20170707004212

How about an open discussion about differing opinions about content editing and the direction of the content pages themselves rather than threats of blocking whenever a member makes a simple error or has a different editing style.or a difference of opinon regarding the direction of the out of date (for a year) content while nitpicking about small things.

Open discussion and disagreement here is often determined to be merely disruptive, thereby, giving the admins cause for more blocking threats. No wonder only those that agree with them are given free reign to say and do what they will. Open, honest communication without fear of those threats are necessary for any project or community if it wants to continue to thrive. Out of date content and misinformation on a grand scale is far worse thatn a typo a misspelled word, grammatical differnces or image's style, sizing or placement or especially a clear case of not knowing how to use an editing tool and trying over and over again to get it right while the new editor learns how to use the Fandom editing tools. Threatening them with blocking is counter-productive as most often a new editor will decide not to try to edit again. Why is/was that ever necessary as a first response.

I, personally, have 35+ years in software management, design, documentation and development, but have been told by the admin stall fthat my experience isn't important to the wiki and it's content pages. OK, I was confused, I thought that content editing and the design of the pages were most assuredly something best done by computer professionals, Sorry for my confusion.

As most of the professional computer types  are not longer active on the wiki often due to the overreach here in the past and now the current administration, I feel it proper that I voice my concern here before any further action is taken against Redbeard. I know that I risk being blocked myself for voicing my dissension and I must admit that my health has suffered considerably by being a member of this wiki and trying to help the wiki moving forward and not keeping the errors and problems of the past in place. The admins themselves have admitted that the new game's style of updates is a pain in the neck, but still no reasonable way of dealing with the content issues has been given. We have been asked to wait for the admins to discuss amongst only themselves any changes needed. Well, I had a solution and it was dismissed and disreagarded, but I believe that it could/should have been discussed with the community without fear of threats, intimidation or retaliation by anyone.

I have a number of citations (if you wish for me to gather them all) of clear threats by the admins directed at me merely for questioning misinformation in the content or making a reasoned suggestion of ways to handle the current problems associated with the game's new direction. (Double events in a single major update seem to be the way the game is proceeding). I've been told only, that the admins have total and sole control over these types of decisions and no rational reason is given for those decisions other than to point to the past and not to the future game changes that are surely to come.

I thought that on edits that we were all to be equal members and that editing is our right and that NO ONE is above those rules. I had hoped that this would change when the community guidelines on editing policy were rescinded, but clearly it continues.

Sannse, you told me to post only 'light subject' discussions or just do content edits. I have followed your advice, but clearly my efforts keep getting thwarted by edit policy decisions being made without any community discussion at all. When a discussion is started, we are told only that the admins have discussed among themselves and have decided not to proceed further and that the discussion must end. If it doesn't end, then there is a threat of blocking.

As far as I can tell, there is no gentle suggestion of another way, only threats of blocking because that right has been given to them. On some of these occasions, you, Sannse have been cited as having clearly backed them up on those rights and decisions. I have read your words on those occasions but I don't see that you have actually said what has been implied, but my interpretation may not be correct either. I know that I am often confused by a difference of opinion about the rights of admins in general, but I did think that we, as members, also had rights. All of us, not just those that want only harmony and good feelings above all else.

Perhaps, we could check on something else, like the current image and biblical citation that was posted by Imskrak on her profile. I suppose it is her right to post that image, especially there on her profile, but it does seem to be in bad taste and certainly shows me more about the poster than about anyone who might have been the target of the image.

I mean no harm here and I hope that my words are read as they were intended and not as only a need to be right or a need to be disruptive. I would also like a clarification of the rights of both the members and of the admins so I can make a more informed decision about any continuance of my participation in content editing. I have done extensive edits since the 'edit ban' was lifted and have made no content ediitng mistakes, I don't think. Everything that I have done, has brought the page up to date or is trying to do that currently, but I can stop if if is also deemed to be a hindrance to this wiki.

Those edits were oftentimes to pages not touched since Foss's retirement last fall (as were Redbeard's edits), so it clearly seemed to me that the current content editors (be they admins or merely members) have not been able to keep up with the game's progress in a timely manner. I suppose that might even be blamed on me too, but if I stop saying anything anywhere on this wiki, the real problems will persist, believe me. And, I'll not take responsibility for the content which I was clearly told was not the concern of the the bulk of the members but only the concern of a select few. - El